You have a problem with PvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP?

You're wrong.

30 minutes into EVE and you be the guy who tackles a dreadnought.

One week into EVE and you can be in a logi ship and loved by your freinds.

2 weeks into EVE and you can be the guy who just ganked a hauler with a billion in the hold.

My month of January proves you are wrong.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=600165&m=1&y=2013


damn I never noticed my ratio of kill deaths its so lame @.@ 50% :( gotta work on fixing it...

Miners with 30mil SP dying to 1 week old catalyst pilots beg to differ,

Yes you are, more SP != win in PvP, it = more choice of ships to PvP in, for example player x has 100 million SP spread all over the place but only 5 million in frigates, player Y has only 5 million SP in frigates , if they're both in identical ships with identical fits then there is a 50/50 chance that player Y can beat player X, because 95 million of player Xs SP are completely irrelevant to the ship he's flying.
HTFU

When your character gets to that age and you are still getting ganked you will realise how bad you are.

The real decider is numbers.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

You will never understand this game or any game.

It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships.

That and FC's who aren't incompetent.

Well if we are talking about collective numbers then yeah, but what the OP was saying is that pilots with the most SP win all the time.

100 day old characters in frigs can beat a 5 year old character in a battleship.

You are just very VERY bad in this game. This is all.

OP, you have no idea how wrong you are. Check this vid from Scaurus's live stream a few nights ago:

http://www.twitch.tv/themittanidotcom/b/405319686

Scaurus is a highly experienced PVPer who has been around for quite a while. At about the 1:57:00 mark, he accepts a challenge from a corp mate of mine, Dash Ing, who merely wanted to give him a good fight for the audience. Dash is about 3-4 moths old. This fight is a Merlin vs. an Incursus, a pretty fair 1v1 matchup.

As you see in the video, Scaurus all but has the fight locked down...but OH ****!! I BURNT OUT MY GUNS!! The fight went to Dash, who in a very Gentlemanly display, decided to let him go when he got through the Merlin's armor. Just goes to show, even experienced pilots make mistakes, and very inexperienced pilots need only take advantage to turn the tide.

Stop whining, get a clue, and HTFU.

No SP will save you from a guy with better piloting skills and better knowledge of game mechanics.

You can always buy the most pimped SP char on the bazaar, but if you're a n00b, you're a n00b.

piloting skills > skill points

Op you haven't responded, so I just want to reiterate that this offer still stands.

No piloting skills are piloting skills. SP has nothing at all to do with it.

I said this before and i will continue to say it, SP is not a determining factor in pvp. yeah itll help with your deeps, tracking, speed, etc, but what really matters is tactics. Back in the day before the cane was nerfed I would fit my 425mm shield cane with two neuts and take on ANYTHING up to bs, my cane at the time put out nearly 1k dps, i would take on tech3's and aboslutely abolish them .

anyway, the point is, know what you are doing and you can participate in pvp no matter how low skilled you are.

as far as content goes, PVP is driven by the players, not CCP, it is up to you and I to build ships and fight each other. all these nullsec/highsec/lowsec fleets fights are driven by players who want to control space/regions/areas that CCP doesnt care about. if you want to pvp then go out and fight someone, blow this or that guy up becasue he called you a douche, or go fight him because you dont like his alliance tag, or jsut fight him,,,, just to fight him . again, its up to you.

Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.

How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.

You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that).

I've seen a lot better trolls on the subject.

5 noobs in frigates with 10mil skill pts. total between them.

vs.

1 vet in a BS or Maurader with 100mil skill pts.

=

Dead vet.

Or to put it another way, remember way back when Shrike lost a Titan, took one away from one of this people to replace it and then turned around and lost that one the next day?

The gentleman that uncloaked the first Titan and enabled the kill was a sharp eyed young man in his first week of play. I'm not talking about the character he was on, I'm talking about the player himself.

It's been said before, there are lots of people that share your opinion of what it takes to be succesful in EvE combat.
You'll find them conveniently listed as death mails filling every killboard you care to check, regardless of the number of skill points they have accumulated.

so a character having about 60mil SP just in science and industry will be able to beat a guy in a cruiser and 1/3rd of the SP?



I'd say good ol' chap, you be trolling, or you be stupid.

I am sad to see that after a couple of years you haven't learned much. But, as I said, your milage will vary. Maybe you just need a few more years to understand the game ...

Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink.

It is only real PvP when you win

First: Nice trolling.

Still, this (the highlighted part) is where you're wrong as nobody can train a skill higher than lv5.
If a 5 year old player has trained Minmatar frigate to lv5 and you do the same, you are both (SP wice) eaqually good at flying that ship.
Granted, he will have have a lot of other skills that help him fit his ship better but he can still only train those skills to lv5, so eventually you will catch up. In the mean time, you might still be able to beat him as pvp in Eve has little to do with SP. It has all to do with knowledge. The Knowledge of how to pvp in Eve style.

This mean knowing how to use the tool (ship) you have at your disposal to hit your opponent at his weakest point. Knowing about fall off, transversal, kitting and a bunch of other stuff. Knowing when to fight and when to run and most importent - how to manually pilot your ship in relation to your apponent.

Think most players that come to the forums and complain about, not being able to pilot the ships personally (from the bridge) and want Eve to be a game where you do "dogfighting" type of pvp, has the same hole in their knowledge about what makes Eve pvp tick.

Sure thing, he might have better skills than you and have better modules on his ship but rest assure, that do NOT mean he knows how to fit his new ship or how to use it in a pvp situation.

Don't give up. Try and try again and everytime - learn from your experience.
Learning in a personal matter (not SP wice) is what makes a good Eve player.

Can't say I disagree with the OP. But then I think EvE's counterintuitive formula is what makes it somewhat successful as a PvP game.

The biggest fears in other PvP games are "Pay to Win", "Gear Gap", and large disparity in SP (XP) levels between new and old players, where new players will never catch the old players. EvE embraces all of these.

The reason I think the formula is successful is because, contrary to what people say, hardly anyone really wants a fair fight.

No, there is a LOT to proper skill. There is a ton of things to think of and keep track of when entering into a fight (things like radial velocity, slingshot maneuvers, spiraling in, optimal/falloff, among others...).

There are obvious cases where a single low SP pilot WILL defeat the higher SP pilot almost all the time. An assault frigate noob vs. a tier 3 battlecruiser being one example.

But in many more cases the result may be open, as far as ship-type/fit vs other ship-type/fit goes. In these cases both SP and actual piloting skill play a role.
In some cases piloting skills > SP. Let's say a frigate fight between a longpoint-kiter and a scram/web-brawler. In such a case piloting skill will trump SP anytime. If the kiter (maybe a Navy Slicer) just hits orbit, he'll lose if the brawler can pull off a proper slingshot maneuvre. Has nothing to do with SP, just with skill. Now if the kiter pays attention he'll switch to manual flying at the proper time and make sure the range initially doesn't grow and (once the brawler executes the turnaround), will immediately reverse vectors.

In other cases SP > piloting skills. Let's say two similiarly fitted buffer-tanked brawling cruisers duking it out. But even here there is a lot of room for error, or even just more kill, depending on the weapon systems in use. It may very well be possible to reduce tracking enough (fly under the guns) by manually orbiting close (<500m).

Also, beyond a few M SP, frig and cruiser fights are practically equal by default. Any dozen million SP beyond that won't help the older char anyway.

You seem to have the notion that bigger ships are always better. This is not the case. I can give you many examples of smaller ships being vastly superior to a larger ship type in combat.

any assault frigate > tier 3 battlecruisers
actually, almost any combat frigate > tier 3 battlecruisers

assault frigate > most battleships (unless drone BS)
any combat frigate > long-range battleships (unless drone BS)

many T1 cruisers > long-range battleships / tier3 batltecruisers with long range weaponry
(e.g. Vexor > artillery tornado/tempest)

I could list more such combinations. The ones above mostly rely on the insufficient tracking of the larger guns vs. smaller targets (also their inability to escape due to being slow). There are other such combinations that rely on other factors (range and speed, ewar, etc.)

This is also the reason that many high SP pilots never stop flying frigatse and cruisers (let alone battlecruisers, which rock).

bs bs bs

Quoted because Tippia said in a nice and concise fashion what I have been writing novels about. ("practice", i guess)

A version that you can't misread as easily: "All harder-to-train-for ships can be readily beaten by a well chosen easy-to-train-for ship."

All harder-to-train-ships beat all but maybe one easy-to-train-ship, and having a free choice of harder-to-train-ships to kill you higher SP will dominate without effort.

you are stupid, & should feel bad. Quit now & give all your stuff to people that have learned to EvE.

Arguing with Basil Pupkin is dumb, when we can test it.

I will pay for all the costs associated with such an event (duel) or Duels, rules are simple.

Standard Frigates, Destroyers or Cruisers, with standard fittings.

No named/officer/etc or LP store mods. Just run of the mill items.

Make sure you don't have too many implants, max value of 25 mil in total.

Rules are simple - when you fight Basil Pupkin make sure you can prove with that you have fewer SP than him, or prove it in such a way that its very likely that you do.

I will pay all* expenses for this event. - I will only pay for destroyed items.

Just wasted +700 mil on a face plug, think I can spare a few millions of isk for the laughs.

ITT:

OP confuses "skill" with "skillpoints"

And there is the actuality behind the attempted rhetoric. Based on this OP would have a very different view had they somehow not 'lost the chance to register earlier'.

Sometimes this emotional response is called envy. Historically speaking, it usually doesn't work out too well. Perhaps this thread will have provided something therapeutic or cathartic for the OP such that they do not have to live with the fairly well documented effects of contextualizing ones actions based on envy.

If you'd added a smiley or a "QED" at the end of this it would have looked indistinguishable from a spot-on parody of your posting. Satire is dead and you have killed it. Monster.

Fun factoid for the OP, 99% of the posters in this thread could roll a new alt and be able to kick a much older pilots arse within a month or two, in your case, I think a week or two of skill training would be more than sufficient to hand yours to you on a plate regardless of what you're flying.

Please do everybody else a favour and bugger off back to whatever hole you crawled out of, you are either trolling or clueless about Eve, either way you're a bit of a prat.